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Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby Metrophage » Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:41 am

I never knew about these, but I bought one! It even says: "Made by Waldorf Electronics GMBH"! This explains the nice build quailty. I am just starting into the manual, and it seems like a very capable MIDI utility.

Again, as per my SoundPool post, I don't have Cubase for Atari. Seeing lots of MROS talk in the manual, should I assume that it really only works with Cubase? Also, looking on the Steinberg legacy FTP I saw a folder which supposedly contains a driver for Windoze. Probably an ancient version of Windoze, but perhaps still useful.

Anybody want to relate experiences of using the SMP-24? Can it work with other sequencers, such as KCS/Omega or RealTime? Looks like I will be trying to score some Cubase soon!
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:07 am

To be honest, I've only ever heard of people using this device with Cubase, plus I's assume that the drivers are pre-XP/Win2k, so limited to Windows 95/98/me.

I could be wrong though, but with bitter experience of Steinberg's sometimes bizarre support policies, I'd not bet on it working with current versions of Windows.

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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:43 am

I notice that in Cubase Audio v2.06, the MROS folder has a driver for a SMP4, but Google does not come up with anything; is it a typo and should read 24? Older versions of Cubase have the driver for the SMP24 (Cubase v2.01) and SMP 2 (Cubase v3.01). However for some reason no version has more than one and CAF v2.06 does not have all of the drivers present. I wonder if the SMP 2 driver will work with the SMP 24?



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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:41 pm

Hey I recently acquired a Steinberg SMP24 and after a quick rummage through my boxes of stuff, I eventually found a centronics printer cable to use with the SMP24. Will this standard PC centronics printer cable work fine with the SMP24 and my Falcon 030 / Atari STE, or is the wiring different? I ask because I do not want to damage anything in my haste to plug it in and get going! I could do with a scanned copy of the user manual if anyone has it, or is willing to scan it for me. Hopefully the only SMP24 MROS driver I have from one of the older Cubase versions, will work with Cubase Audio v2.06.

I was holding out for an SMP II with its' cool display and nice red colour, but once I received the SMP24 I actually really love its' big front buttons and nice LED display. It's in MINT condition too and never been racked by the look of it (not a single scratch or mark anywhere).


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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:58 pm

If you go to the Steinberg FTP server, there is the last version of MROS and a set of drivers, I think the SMP-24 was included.

I'm not 100% sure on the cable side, though there were no large voltages carried across the line so I don't think any damage would be done. Thankfully Atari were not in the habit of putting power supply lines on all the ports available, unlike Commodore with the Amiga!

Looking around, someone was looking for a cable on Atari-forum and ordered a bi-directional printer cable, as they never replied saying it didn't work I can only assume that it did.
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:39 pm

I think the cable may have come with a crap Apollo P-1200 printer circa 1999, and I had that connected to an old socket 7 PC made in 1998 running on Win95/98SE. Very hard to find info on whether it used bi-directional cables or not, I think it may do though.

The mros0296.zip on the Steinberg FTP only contain a file named SMP4.DR and MROS3_45. The SMP24.DR I have comes from the MIDI only Cubase v2.0 and alongside MROS2_10. I guess it is a case of suck it and see, but a quick Google brings up one result of someone saying they use the SMP24 with CAF v2.06.


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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:27 pm

Well Cubase Audio 2.06 and Cubase 3.1 are effectively the same core software, except one has audio additions and the other does not (Plus they need different dongles... *).

MROS should work fine though I'd always back up your existing MROS folder just in case.
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:33 pm

Seeing as you mention Cubase v3.1, does this mean I should use the SMP II driver instead of the SMP24 from Cubase v2.0?


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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:56 pm

SMP24, the II has some functionality that the original does not.

Having said that, there is no harm in trying them both :)
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:57 pm

What are the different functions out of curiosity?



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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:03 am

I think there were some internal routines on both units, one has a few more such as routing as I recall, plus I think there were changes to the SMPTE settings. Other than that I'm not entirely sure as it was out of my price range when launched and I never took much notice at the time :oops:
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:21 am

Some cheeky so and so has a SMP24 for sale right now for 750 EURO + VAT!

http://broadcastsupport.eu/products/18-audio-equipment/522-steinberg---smp-24/



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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:23 am

Now THAT could solve a few money troubles if he managed that. Buy it for 20 Euro's, sell it for 750 Euro's...

It may be rare, but it is selling to a limited market within a linited market. Even I wouldn't pay that (Assuming I had the money which I don't)
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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby NCGM » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:51 pm

I plugged it in for the first time today, using my 4160STE as it was handy. I used the SMP24 driver from the Cubase v2.0 MCA crack and then installed Cubase Audio v2.06 (legit version with dongle). Cubase started to bootup and then hung, and I then saw the LED display on the SMP24 showing 'MIDI Err' or I think that is what it means to display. After a bit of messing around with drivers, I decided to install Cubase v2.0 MCA and try that, thinking that the SMP24 driver taken from this might work better...but no, the same result except Cubase eventually struggles through and shows the main Cubase arrange page. In the Output drop down menu, the SMP24 entries are there but greyed out and not selectable. I must say that I did not have anything connected to the MIDI ports, so I suppose I should try that incase it is expecting something to be; The MIDEX+ just works fine no matter what is connected.

So maybe my Centronics cable is not suitable or bi-directional. I've just had a quick look on Ebay to see what cables are on there; does the length of cable matter with the Atari? Shorter the better I am sure, but the shortest I can see on Ebay is 1.5m but does not say if bi-directional, whereas one that does is 3m long.


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Re: Steinberg SMP-24 MIDI interface

Postby mal7921 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:52 am

I'll have a look in my cable collection, I used to have a whole pile of centronics cables at one time.

I'm also pretty sure we have some here at work stuffed in some dark corner of the server room. As all our printers are networked now, we have no need for the centronics stuff anymore.

If I find one I'll let you know
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